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27 July 2020 at 1:37 am #1864
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KeymasterI quite like the analogy between Standard English and dress code or table etiquette rules. There are different dress codes we use on different occasions and in different situations, and SE can have its place in language use, like a suit is used at certain times but not always. Also, thinking of table etiquette, there certainly isn’t just one etiquette everyone around the world follows. Different cultures have different expectations of table behaviour; while slurping one’s soup might be regarded as rude in western cultures, in eastern cultures it’s a sign of enjoyment of the meal. All this to say, language is the same, it’s not uniform and it takes the shape of the culture it lives in, and the individuals that it lives in.
I like one particular TED Talk in which intercultural communication expert Marianna Pascal says that “English is not an art to be mastered. It’s a tool to get results”. I completely agree, and we all use that tool differently.
By the way, Marianna Pascal has an interesting short Toastmasters speech on Local English & Standard English that can be found here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQmNIqdwVMw. I’m interested to hear some thoughts on it! I agree with some points she makes but not so much or not fully) with other ones.
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20 October 2020 at 3:49 am #3322
Joshua Tan
MemberI personally would liken standard English as a form of Art, a treasured piece of artwork to be beheld and to be analysed. Since the beauty is in the eye of the beholder, the interpretation of its beauty is entirely up to the interpreter, i.e us. On the other hand, the day-to-day use of English language is none other than a tool to get people to their desired destinations. People tend to learn English to help them to achieve a goal, say, for example, to help them to communicate with another person in a business setting.
It is undeniable, however, that standard English still possesses her distinct advantage due to the proliferation of her usage across the formal commercial setting, especially if one is dealing with the native English speaker. But that’s just my personal biases.
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21 October 2020 at 5:53 am #3350
Pamoda Jayaweera
MemberIt would be correct to view Standard English through the analogy of dress code and table etiquettes. Just as such analogies express the diverse ways in which English could be used in different socio-cultural contexts, they also imply the limiting effect such standard use could have on the language users. Just as a particular accepted dress code or table manners define and set down the “appropriate” dress to be worn in an occasion and correct table manners to be observed and thereby limits the choices available, an accepted Standard variety of English limits the diversity introduced by the socio-culturally different users of English.
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28 October 2020 at 6:50 am #3500
Chaw Ei Ei Waing
MemberOf course, there might have different analogies in both of SE and other cultural users of English.
There is a say like “When in Rome, do as the Romans do”. So that, I think we don’t need to embrace or replace both. I got this idea after watching Marianna Pascal’s talk. -
2 November 2020 at 1:54 pm #3557
Abdolamir Rahi
MemberWhen you do not follow the dress code or table manners you are considered impolite and not fit! The same is with Standard English. When you do not follow the rules you are considered out of the correct league! So you have to stick to the Standard English and tally with it, otherwise you don’t belong here!
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9 November 2020 at 9:33 am #3630
Vishnu Prathima Ganji
MemberThe analogy of dress code and table etiquette quiet fits in to standard English or rather to any language that sees a change in a course of time. Language contextualize and prioritize the rules and situations, I agree with Marianna Pascal as English is not an art to master but a tool to get result.
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11 November 2020 at 9:03 pm #3673
Przemysław Jankowski
MemberI generally see the point of the analogies made, but I think that there is also a noticeable difference when we thing about English in particular. Dress codes and table manners are usually established locally, for a given country, society, community, etc. through a mutual agreement on what is commonly considered proper in a given situation. Therefore, Chinese boardroom meeting may have a significantly different dress code than a silicon valley start-up management meeting. Standard English, on the other hand, is a variety of the English language which is supposed to be the “proper” one across the board, regardless of the local context. In addition, it’s not agreed upon by its non-native users but rather imposed by educational bodies and global institutions.
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11 December 2020 at 5:12 pm #4265
Abdulsalam Aderibigbe
MemberYes, as much as we try to use these analogiestoo describe standard English, we must also see it from the viewpoint that dress code and table etiquettes vairies across diverse culture and society. Standard English on the other hand as we know it gives no room for these variations, hence, the argument of which is more standard between British English and American English.
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15 November 2020 at 8:55 pm #3732
Ahmed Abdullah Ali
MemberSure, there might have different analogies in both of SE and other cultural users of English.
There is a say like “When in Rome, do as the Romans do”. So that, I think we don’t need to embrace or replace both. I got this idea after watching Marianna Pascal’s talk. -
25 November 2020 at 10:13 am #3910
Buddhika Daladawaththa
MemberWhen someone urges to use the standards, that means they are showcasing language dictatorship and marginalzing the varieties. Anyway, language is a form of human expression. At least in the spoken variety, the user must be given freedom to talk or express one’s self without restricting or fearing for a norm; a standard.
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29 November 2020 at 8:16 am #4051
Angelica Marie Estrabela
MemberI totally agree with this too. As an English language instructor for almost three years, I’ve seen how depressed my students are whenever they fail to express their ideas in the English language. English language is just like any other languages. It is used to communicate whether you followed the rules or not, what matters most is that you were able to relay the message that you want to say– that they were able to understand what you mean.
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26 December 2020 at 3:34 am #4608
Neill Porteous
MemberStandard English is a barrier to Entry. For example, the use of standardized English tests act as a gatekeeper. If you don’t use ‘Standard’ English, you will not get a good score. If you don’ get a good score, you will not be accepted into educational institutes or get the job.
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28 December 2020 at 5:32 pm #4655
Pabasara Ponnamperuma
MemberThere should be a standard in the dress code or rules for table etiquette. In the same way, English language has its standard variety. When we consider about the origin of Standard English, it is in inner circle which associates with the countries like, UK and USA. Simultaneously, there is an existence of standard variety of English in each country for instances, “Standard Sri Lankan English, Standard Indian English, Standard Canadian English, and etc. Furthermore, it is needed to consider about the fact that when there is a standard variety, there is a non-standard variety too. That’s why adhering to standard dress code or rules for table etiquette is much important as following a “Standard variety of English.” Why did I mention here “a standard variety of English” because everyone can not adhere to the standard English in the inner circles.
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29 December 2020 at 3:12 am #4677
Deborah Ayers
MemberI definitely love the comparison of standard English to a dress code! So rigid!
I hate the idea of only one way of speaking the language. I guess students must learn some standards so they can work with others and do well on standardized tests and in job interviews, but I always hope they can have the opportunity to experience some non-standard English, too, and appreciate the beauty each of the dialects can offer.
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1 January 2021 at 3:27 am #4725
When ttalking about the Standard English the comparison made between the dress code or the rules for table etiquette are quite interesting. Likewise, by considering Standard English we can identify the characteristics and features of it. But according to the country we live in it changes as Standard Indian English , Standard Canadian English etc.
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11 January 2021 at 11:35 pm #4834
Julio Torres
MemberIt is true that table manners are culturally created and conventionally used in a determined context but they are also used ot not if you have visitors at home or you are invited to a fancy dinner. I think standard English or the standard of any language is determined by different factors such as social calss, gender, age, etc. in all context and according to socilinguistic norms of any speeech community.
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